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Nascar Restrictor Plate Racing

Post by 127 » Monday, 09 February 2009, 16:12 PM

My take on it is:
60% car
30% Luck
10% Driver

DW's comment: "You have to run restrictor plates at daytona or Talladega because the cars would be uncontrollable".
Dale Sr's famous comment: "Take the plates off and let us run......you shouldn't be racing if you have feathers down your back!"

DW is a wuss and Dale Sr was a racer......taking the plates off would put a premium on the drivers and less emphasis on aero!




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Post by Grump » Monday, 09 February 2009, 17:24 PM

I've said for along time that they should pull those plates and let them run maybe even turn the car into a brick you know remove alot of the aero package



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RE Nascar Restrictor Plate Racing

Post by The Bull » Monday, 09 February 2009, 18:18 PM

127 wrote:My take on it is:
60% car
30% Luck
10% Driver
50%car
20%luck
30% driver



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Post by TwentyTwo-Zero » Monday, 09 February 2009, 19:16 PM

The restrictor plates were imposed for a reason - safety. They used to run the cars without restrictor plates and a lot of drivers got seriously injured and killed. The cars were becoming too fast for the tracks they are raced on. With the output of the cars restricted it comes down to driver skill...and of course a little luck... :wink:


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Post by jessejamesdallas » Monday, 09 February 2009, 19:46 PM

MY Take:
30% Car
20% luck
50% Driver

Basically all these cars they use today in Nascar, are just about equal...You have what, 4 manufactures running cars that you can only tell apart from one another by the emblem on the grill. You have the engines being built by one or two different company's. There is nothing really "Stock" about any of the cars. All the cars now, have to meet the same standards when it comes to aerodynamics, tires, safety, (which is probably a good idea) and no one can use secret gadgets to have a advantage over the other teams...(like over-sized gas tanks, or hidden gas tanks...thats a Bozo-no-no!)

By the way..."Who decided everyone has to run Goodyears?" Why not Firestone or Bridgestone? Toyota guys would probably like to run Yokohama's! :lol:

I wish they would go back to the way it was in the 60's and 70's when the cars they drove looked like they just came off the Interstate, and someone stuck a roll cage inside! :wink:


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Post by Shaft » Monday, 09 February 2009, 22:33 PM

I heard DW say once in a conference with a bunch of other retired drivers (I think he was the only one still active at the time) and he said that the cars of that day were too fast for him and that the Busch series (now Nationwide) was more like the cars he drove in his hay day. Made sense because DW usually started and finished in last place in his final years.

But as stated earlier, it is a safety issue. At those speed the cars can become airborne and that is extremely dangerous. They tried to run the races without the plates several years ago and the trucks were the first to do it. They had one of the worst wrecks ever (I think some fans got injured) and the plates immediately went back on and have stayed there.

The way Daytona and Talladega are designed it allows them to run at speeds that are completely unsafe for those cars. At Daytona, only the 3 NASCAR circuits and ARCA are allowed to enter the turns. All other races the turns are detoured to force them to slow down. Think about why all the tracks that have been built in the last 20 years are nowhere near that length. Texas has the last of the superspeedways, but the track will never be retrofit to allow a NASCAR race there because it will also be a restrictor plate race. Tracks like Pocono and Indianapolis are just as long, but because of the turns and lack of banking, the drivers are forced to slow down.

Even with the improved aero package, the cars are still not as stable as an Indy car is, which have enough downforce to drive inverted. But even aero packages that ensure stability aren't the answer. The final days of CART happened when they canceled a race at the Texas Motor Speedway because the cars were so fast and could hold the turns so well, that the g-forces were causing the drivers to black out. Don't think something like that would happen at Daytona, but there are some dangers with high speed.


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Post by Texas Mobil 219 » Monday, 09 February 2009, 23:47 PM

MY TAKE:

Why restrict something thats suppose to hal but.


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Post by 721HACKSAW » Tuesday, 10 February 2009, 4:38 AM

The resrictor plates where added for FAN safety, I don't remember the exact race but either Bobby Allison or Richard Petty got up into the catch fence along the main straightaway tore part of it down and several fans were seriously injured by debris and coolant. They did studies, added additional fencing and the plates. As for Dale Sr. his quote was "move the stands back and let us race" Nascar also looked at that possibility also.



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Post by 127 » Tuesday, 10 February 2009, 7:01 AM

TwentyTwo-Zero wrote:The restrictor plates were imposed for a reason - safety. They used to run the cars without restrictor plates and a lot of drivers got seriously injured and killed. The cars were becoming too fast for the tracks they are raced on. With the output of the cars restricted it comes down to driver skill...and of course a little luck... :wink:
Driver skill?????? You couldn't be more wrong!
Restrictor plate racing is all about $$$$$$$$$$$ wind tunnel time and extremely high dollar engine programs for only 4 races.
The mega teams are the only ones that have a chance and that is because of car and not driver talent.
Michael Waltrip is a scrub but in the DEI car he won 4 races his whole career and all 4 were at plate tracks.
A great plate car will give the driver a huge edge and make him look superhuman.
Plate races are mostly car and luck, but those 4 races require as much $$$$$ as 12 of the short and intermediate tracks to run.
If Nascar reduces the engine sizes and makes the engines smaller for plate races only the mega $$$ teams like Hendrick and Childress teams will have a chance for the win.
The only way to make it fair for all is to remove the plates, the drivers know the risks and make HUGE money for their trouble.



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Post by lonesome 500 » Tuesday, 10 February 2009, 7:19 AM

if derrick cope can win the 500........it's def less driver

ask cale yarborogh if plates are necessary....even tho i think they suck


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Post by 127 » Thursday, 12 February 2009, 9:55 AM

It'll be a Chevy show in the 150s and the 500, bet the farm on it!
Harvick's Chevy passed the Ford of McMurray on the last last like he was standing still..........someone was sandbagging the whole race.




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